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Clues Options

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[L-USA] Clues Options

From: Daniel Servatius (elf@pclink.com) | Date: 1999-01-05 00:30:20 UTC-06:00
To all: Please read and comment.

The overall goal for using the internet is to provide you with the options you
need to find letterbox sites and to help others find your
sites with a minimum of fuss (for me as well as you).

Toward that end I would like you to tell me what you want to see here.
The way it works now is adequate for the number of our current users, but it is
not likely to be adequate 6 months from now IMO. I will need lead time to plan
whatever changes are necessary to accomodate an influx of people. Please make
your needs and wishes known now so that whatever changes are made will reflect
them.

I don't plan to change the basic mapping structure. Twice in the past
suggestions were made to change it and most of you did not want it changed so it
will remain as is.

Proposed changes for posting clues:

Modern e-mail notes can be made up of web-content. Most people are familiar
with filling out forms. So I will probably reduce the process of posting clues
to filling out a form and forwarding it to me, Mitch or someone else who can
register it on the site.

Please give input if any you have. My biggest concern for you is that you will
all be able to do this easily without special instructions. I also want to make
sure you can make your finished clues reflect your personal tastes in color and
form. At your option you may want to include contact information. You may or
may not want a regional map or clues map to be included. You may also NOT want
any options at all. In that case the basic form we now use will be selected by
default. But what I see for the future (if its at all feasible) will be an
e-mail form that looks just like your finished page as its to be published. You
will be able to type in the content (as its to appear), change the colors,
fonts, images etc. (as they are to appear) and then add whatever supplementary
information you feel is necessary to the letterbox.

Part of the porocess of determining whether or not this is feasible is finding
out (from you!) how it needs to work and what it needs to look like in order to
be

1) easy to use
and
2) easy to customize and be creative

Our current system only allows people with web publishing skills to be
creative. It is NOT easy to use. This has always been a glaring fault of web
publishing. But there are ways to overcome that. And I am willing to explore
possibilities, pick brains and create a form that will accomplish this for you.

But I need your input. Please do make some comments. Some of you may be very
busy, but if you would at least state the number one thing of importance to you
I would appreciate it. I respectfully ask you to not
say something like, "Why don't you create letterboxes instead?"
Remember, I'm not just taking up this concern for you. Its for the newcomers
who have not started yet. I view it as my primary role to create and maintain a
medium for you to share your clues. I want this to work cleanly so that the
process of getting your clues out will be not much more difficult than writing a
letter or making a phone call. Once I've done that and the system works and has
been amply tested
I will probably devote more of my efforts to letterboxes. You know every group
has certain people who bring certain things to it. Some of you are artists, some
are map surfers, some are hikers or orienteerers or general hobbyists.
I'm a network technician who's into maps.

OK. Send some comments please.

Dan'l

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[L-USA] Re: Clues Options

From: Marty Chamberlain (martyc@cyberdude.com) | Date: 1999-01-05 09:24:44 UTC-05:00
Dan,

I'm responding to your request for comments. I like the idea of a
forms-based mechanism for folks to use to publish clues on the Letterbox
USA site. It seems like a good idea for those who do not want to "publish"
their own clue sites, and I'm all for that. I think that the more hurdles
to publishing clues there are, the fewer clues will be published. Then
again, I'm really a newbie at Letterboxing, anyway.

If form-based publishing of clues takes off on L-USA, I'd still prefer to
create my own pages (as I have been), and hope for some way of linking the
map on L-USA to my clue pages.

One way or another, I like the idea of the centralized "map" and general
information that L-USA provides, and would hope for some flexability in
manner of posting clues.

Marty
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[L-USA] Re: Clues Options

From: Steven Stary (kurrwic@yahoo.com) | Date: 1999-01-05 07:04:46 UTC-08:00
Dan,
I'm all for an easy to create "Mad Libs"-like clue page. Give us the
blanks to fill in and a few options on color and such and I'll be
content. A preview option before the page is added would be good too.
If you can find a way for us to add our own images, stamps and
photos, that would be a definite plus.

On another note, I started carving the first of my Door County
Lighthouse stamps, but I found that it requires a sharper blade than I
had available. Those tiny pink pet erasers don't leave a lot of room
for mistakes!

Steven

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[L-USA] Re: Clues Options

From: Thom Cheney (tcgrafx@imagina.com) | Date: 1999-01-05 07:50:27 UTC-08:00
As an artist, I am only too aware of the need for the L-box site to be
attractive and interesting. Otherwise, I'd probably be among the "leave
it alone" crowd. It is still a bit of a sore subject with some, as this
is how ILC started to "change." Since I don't doubt your motives,
Dan'l, my knee-jerk reaction to protest is being ignored.

To that end, the only advice I will offer is, keep it simple. Whatever
improvements you choose to occupy your time on my behalf are
appreciated.

Now back to letterboxing....

--
Thom Cheney
tcgrafx... among other things

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[L-USA] Re: Clues Options

From: erik/susan davis (davisarc@wcvt.com) | Date: 1999-01-05 11:37:46 UTC-08:00
Dan'l:

I too am all for the development of a simple, e-mail form to get the
clues onto web pages, and thank you again for the committment that you
have and are showing to get it done. If Mitch's goal of all 50 states by
Y2K comes to pass, there will be lots of info to manage.

Some of these suggestions as to content of the form are things I
suggested to Eric M. when he was trying to get his ILC database
established, they are I think relavent here as well.

1. The basics - name of letterbox, and clue description, date placed,
are the bare minimums to get it posted.

2. "ENCOURAGED" options (i.e., up to the box owner) mightinclude: name
of "owner", e-mail address to report problems, last date checked,
descriptive text about history, locale, where to park, etc.

3. I think its good to be able to place boxes in a 'series' if it is
possible without too much complication. Examples, Lake Champlain boxes,
Long Trail Boxes. If this can be done, I'd suggest the following "fine
tuning" options:

a. More than one person should be able to add to the series. Example:
Tom Cooch will likely place soom within the Long Trail - it would make
sense for someone to be able to find all the clues in the same place.

b. Its important to be able to have descriptive text that pertains to
the series as a whole, as the text at the end of the Long Trail Series.
I had suggested to Eric M. a 'no-box, series header' type of form, but
he had no interest. Ideally, I think, this info should be at the start
of the series, not at the end. IMHO

4. I like the option to include a stamp image if desired. Also, photos
of the locale add interet, if its easy enough to do.

5. The maps are great as they are. I also like the map that shows boxes
along the trail, as shown at Pulpit Rock. This would be ideal as a way
to map a closely-linked series. I recognize that this typre of graphic
won't likely come out of a form, but, being able to insert one would
always be nice.

6. Ability to edit is important. Example, 2 recent re-locations due to
vandlism, removal of a box for the winter, errors not seen until
published, etc. I recognize the difficulty of allowing only the "owner'
to edit, which suggest some form of password. Ugh, now complications?

7. Being eble to have edit options for color, font, layout are all neat
if its doable, but, to me at least, secondary to the above. However,
adding a ling to another page location so people can still do their own
thing if they wish, is a good option.

Erik D.


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[L-USA] Re: Clues Options

From: Adrian Williams (havefeet@letterboxing.freeserve.co.uk) | Date: 1999-01-05 21:49:58 UTC
Hi Dan
            Well its the New Year. Resolutions made one of which is not to fall out with true friends. I think it all had something to do with your dream. I intend to be helpfull this year. I am back into boxing again. 20 new boxes to go out will let you have a couple of the clues to see how you get on adding a Dartmoor box to your site.
I have read this mornings email. I even printed it out most unusual for me. You have raised a very good point. I am still a bit worried about releasing my clues to any one but as mine get handed on by people over here what have i to lose.
I think the form is a great idea. Have some ideas on a format for it. Will get myself busy designing something and send it on to you. Its only two years now to the 21st century. I think we could all be the start of something new in letterboxing and i would like to be there from the start.
Now sit down for this i have clues for over countrys China, Spain, France, Australia, Canada, Italy, Germany, and others i will try to obtain the permission of the owners to post them to you. I also have a telephone number for someone in Canada who comes over here and has given an open invitation to anyone from over here to visit and find his boxes out there. I belive he has quite a few.
You may all know or not know that me and my wife Melissa split up back in Feb last year. I think your dream snaped something in me and broke the memories. Its fun how you what to get away from someone but afterwards you only remember the good times when the bad times far outwayed the good. I have been a bit bitter so appoligies to all.
Happy New Year All
Adrian
P.S didn't get out New Years day had a bad head for some reason.
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From: Daniel Servatius <elf@pclink.com>
To: letterbox-usa@egroups.com <letterbox-usa@egroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, January 05, 1999 6:33 AM
Subject: [L-USA] Clues Options

To all:  Please read and comment.

The overall goal for using the internet is to provide you with the options you
need to find letterbox sites and to help others find your
sites with a minimum of fuss (for me as well as you).

Toward that end I would like you to tell me what you want to see here.
The way it works now is adequate for the number of our current users, but it is
not likely to be adequate 6 months from now IMO.  I will need lead time to plan
whatever changes are necessary to accomodate an influx of people.  Please make
your needs and wishes known now so that whatever changes are made will reflect
them.

I don't plan to change the basic mapping structure.  Twice in the past
suggestions were made to change it and most of you did not want it changed so it
will remain as is.

Proposed changes for posting clues:

Modern e-mail notes can be made up of web-content.  Most people are familiar
with filling out forms.  So I will probably reduce the process of posting clues
to filling out a form and forwarding it to me, Mitch or someone else who can
register it on the site.

Please give input if any you have.  My biggest concern for you is that you will
all be able to do this easily without special instructions.  I also want to make
sure you can make your finished clues reflect your personal tastes in color and
form.  At your option you may want to include contact information. You may or
may not want a regional map or clues map to be included.  You may also NOT want
any options at all.  In that case the basic form we now use will be selected by
default.  But what I see for the future (if its at all feasible) will be an
e-mail form that looks just like your finished page as its to be published.  You
will be able to type in the content (as its to appear), change the colors,
fonts, images etc. (as they are to appear) and then add whatever supplementary
information you feel is necessary to the letterbox.

Part of the porocess of determining whether or not this is feasible is finding
out (from you!) how it needs to work and what it needs to look like in order to
be 

               1) easy to use
and
               2) easy to customize and be creative

Our current system only allows people with web publishing skills to be
creative.  It is NOT easy to use.  This has always been a glaring fault of web
publishing.  But there are ways to overcome that.  And I am willing to explore
possibilities, pick brains and create a form that will accomplish this for you.

But I need your input.  Please do make some comments.  Some of you may be very
busy, but if you would at least state the number one thing of importance to you
I would appreciate it.  I respectfully ask you to not 
say something like, "Why don't you create letterboxes instead?"
Remember, I'm not just taking up this concern for you.  Its for the newcomers
who have not started yet.  I view it as my primary role to create and maintain a
medium for you to share your clues.  I want this to work cleanly so that the
process of getting your clues out will be not much more difficult than writing a
letter or making a phone call.  Once I've done that and the system works and has
been amply tested
I will probably devote more of my efforts to letterboxes.  You know every group
has certain people who bring certain things to it. Some of you are artists, some
are map surfers, some are hikers or orienteerers or general hobbyists.
I'm a network technician who's into maps.

OK.  Send some comments please.

Dan'l


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